Top 5 “Thin Value” Spots You May Be Missing

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- Last updated on: January 11, 2025
Missing “thin value” bets on the river won’t make you a losing Texas Hold’em player.
But correctly recognizing opportunities and betting when it’s correct can add valuable points to your win rate.
A thin value bet is a value bet that may not be obvious at first. It’s a bet, generally on the river, where your hand is weaker than your normal value range but you realize your opponent can still call with a worse hand.
Top 5 Spots to Make Thin Value Bets
When the flush draw misses
Probably the most obvious and yet somehow still the most effective thin value spot. When there’s a flopped flush draw and you barrel the flop and the turn, then the river bricks, your opponent is going to much more willing than usual to call with nearly any made hand – especially if you have an aggressive image.
People love to put their opponents on draws so use it to your advantage when that draw misses.
Example #1:
$1/$2 No-Limit Hold’em; $200 effective stacks. It’s folded to you on the button. You raise J 10 to $6 and the regular in the big blind calls.
The flop comes 8 J 3 . He checks and you bet $8.
He calls. The turn comes Q , he checks and you bet $30.
He calls. The river comes 2 and he checks.
You should be much more willing than normal to bet your second pair with a weakish kicker.
There were two flush draws and they both bricked. Your opponent is going to put you on a flush draw and call with a much wider range than normal.
Example #2:
Imagine another scenario where you hold K J on a board of J 9 4 2 4 . You’ve been betting since the flop, and all the possible draws have missed on the river. Even if your kicker isn’t top-notch, making that final value bet can pay off because many opponents will suspect a busted draw and call with hands like 9 9 .
When the top card on the board pairs
When the top card pairs on the river your opponent is often going to discount the fact that you have top pair/now trips because of card removal.
And when your opponent discounts your ability to have top pair, he defaults to calling more often with second pair.
If you have a hand like second pair, decent kicker or an over pair slightly smaller than the paired top card, you can now get value from those second-pair hands.
When you’re near the top of your weak made-hand range
If you have a made hand that’s near the top of your range, even if it’s weak, it can be bet for value vs. a thinking opponent.
An example:
$1/$2, $200 effective stacks. You raise in the cut-off to $6 with 10 8 . The button calls and the blinds fold. The flop comes Q 8 4 . You c-bet $8 and he calls.
The turn comes 4 . You check and he checks behind. The river comes 6 .
You can bet this river for thin value because it looks like you fired one c-bet, then gave up the turn and are now bluffing on the river. Because you would likely double barrel most top-pair hands your opponent is going to believe you’re bluffing.
He’ll probably be willing to call with a worse eight – something like 8 7 , 8 9 or a missed gutshot that made a pair.
If you were to check, your opponent would likely check behind with his showdown-value hand. But by betting you can get him to call with that same weak showdown hand because your range is weak.
Your range is weak, but you’re near the top of it so you can get value from your opponent’s bluff catchers.
When an obvious scare card falls against a thinking opponent
This is an obvious second level. When a scare card falls your opponent is going to expect you to bluff at it at a high % of the time.
Thus he’s going to adjust by calling down lighter. You can take advantage of this by betting some of your better “showdown value” hands for thin value.
When your range is heavily weighted towards bluffs
This is basically the running theme of this entire article and concept. The more bluffs that are in your range, the more you can bet for thin value.
The reasons are blatantly obvious. When your range is heavily weighted towards bluffs, your opponent is going to adjust by calling down with a much wider range. When they’re calling with more hands, you can value bet more hands. It’s as simple as that
How to Value Bet Thin
Value-betting thinly is a skill that takes practice. You must be acutely aware of both your perceived range and your opponent’s range when deciding whether or not to bet the river for thin value.
If you don’t really think about both your ranges you’re just going to be clicking buttons – and in that case you can’t be surprised when you’re continually value-towning yourself with a worse hand than your opponent’s.
However, if you really think about your range and your opponent’s, there are a ton of spots on the river you may have checked through in the past where you can actually pick up thin value.
The difference of course is extra dollars in your online poker bankroll and points on your win rate.
Example:
Suppose you hold Q J on a Q 9 5 8 2 board. Your opponent checks the river. While Q J might seem too marginal, consider how you played the hand. If you’ve shown a high bluffing frequency in similar spots, a modest bet here can be called by worse holdings like Q 10 or even 9 8 .
Thin Value Adjustments
When dealing with experienced opponents, improving your thin value plays often requires fine-tuning your bet sizing, timing, and a precise understanding of range versus range dynamics. This goes beyond simply identifying missed draws or scare cards; you must anticipate how opponents adapt to your betting patterns and apply nuanced tactics.
Bet Sizing in Polarized Spots
In situations where your range is polarized, you can experiment with smaller bets when going for thin value. If you’ve been continuation betting frequently, smaller bets on the river can encourage calls from worse hands. Conversely, if you sense your opponent is heavily inclined to call down light, slightly larger bets may still yield calls because your hand looks more like a bluff. The key is tailoring your size to how your opponent perceives your range.
Exploiting Opponents’ Perceived Ranges
If you read your opponent as overestimating your willingness to bluff, capitalize by betting your marginal holdings more often. Think carefully about the line you’ve taken throughout the hand: if it plausibly represents missed draws or unconnected overcards, an opponent seeking to catch your bluff might call with a range that includes second pair or even weak top pairs. Balancing your betting lines to appear consistent with both strong and speculative holdings will make your thin value bets more believable and profitable.
FAQ
What is a thin value bet?
A thin value bet is a wager placed with a hand that is weaker than your typical value range but can still be called by worse holdings. It’s often made on the river and relies on accurately reading your own range and your opponent’s calling tendencies.
Why do missed flush draws create good thin value opportunities?
Many players assume you were drawing when the flush doesn’t complete. They often call river bets with marginal hands because they believe your draw missed. This perception allows you to extract more value with slightly weaker made hands.
How does the top card pairing on the board help in making thin value bets?
When the top card pairs, opponents often discount the possibility that you actually hold that card. As a result, they may call more frequently with second-pair type hands. This creates an opportunity to bet for value with a wider range of hands.
Why is understanding my range so important when betting thin?
If you don’t accurately gauge your range and your opponent’s, you risk betting hands that are dominated. By knowing exactly where your hand stands relative to your likely holdings, you can identify profitable spots to bet even with marginal strength.
What is the significance of bet sizing in thin value scenarios?
Proper bet sizing can induce calls from weaker hands or discourage calls if you prefer to pot-control. Against perceptive opponents, varying your sizing to match your perceived range and betting pattern can boost your success with thin value bets.
Should I still try for thin value if my opponent rarely folds?
Yes, but adjust your approach. When an opponent calls very frequently, you can bet more of your marginal made hands for value. The key is recognizing when your opponent’s calling range is wide enough to include worse holdings.
How do advanced thin value tactics differ from basic concepts?
Advanced tactics involve deeper considerations of game flow, opponent tendencies, and balanced ranges. While fundamental principles highlight missed draws or scare cards, advanced approaches focus on precise bet sizing and psychological factors that influence your opponent’s calling decisions.
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User Comments
Thin value is where you value bet marginal hands on the river and expect to make only a small profit from those value bets over the long run.
#5 cant be good valuebet on turn or river, at best turn bet is protection bet with rarely the best hand once called.
If this was against a 54/3 fish id valuebet 3 streets all day but this is a regular and regulars in general dont defend more than 30% of hands here, then once you bet the turn they’re folding most of their range except for maybe 99 and J9+ and also turned queens with AQ and KsQs + you would hate getting raised here.
So once you get to the river villains likely range is J9+ and KQs/AQ + maybe 99.
Excellent post. Very useful information, value betting is often overlooked by most players and can be the key step in increasing their winnings and bankroll. I look forward to your other posts!
-Johnnycashout
One more observation. In your example hands like like 89 or 87 would end up splitting the pot with you, even they are weaker from the start. The hand both of you would have is 8 8 4 4 Q so the pot would be a tie. Unless he catch a 6 on the river any bet here is futile.
PS. Sorry for the 3 posts but I’ve seen the problems one by one.
I made a mistake. AQ and KQ are not in his range since he checked the turn. But I still sustain my point of view with the mistake of the value-bet.
Daniel, on no.3 I’m not so sure that it’s a good idea to value-bet, although of course I might be wrong.
For example in his range are hands like AQ, KQ, QJ, QT, maybe even Q9s, A8, sometimes even J8s. So against his range I’m not so sure the thin value-bet is properly here and also it’s not very likely that he called on the flop with 76 or 56. Of course al small 8 might call also but this kind of value-bet I think should be more likely made against calling stations.
Can you give me further explanations please, as I’m myself a semi-pro. Thanks.
Thanks for your answer Sean but i already read all the articles available in the “Beginners” section and i was planning to do the same with the articles in this section but then i noticed that not all of them are available.I want to read all of them starting with the first published 2 or 3 years ago but i don’t know how and i will be very grateful if you could help me.
Anyway i want to thank you very much for yours and Daniel articles!!! Thanks to your articles i now understand much better
the game of poker and with your help i hope to become if not a shark maybe at least a crocodile.
PS:Sorry for the long post and for my english mistakes.
RMG
Start here:
https://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-strategies/how-not-to-suck-at-poker-play-fewer-hands
after you read that series, you’ll have a decent idea of what you’d like to learn more of.
How can i read older articles?
I am a beginner and i want to read all the articles for No Limit Hold’em Cash Game Strategy but i don’t know how.Can you help me?
PS:Sorry for the off-topic!!!